Gunbroker has an interesting flare gun/line thrower for auction. R' Gebruder Rempt Suhl. The latter were originally large rubber bullets, but these were superseded by cylindrical projectiles made from PVC, which were found to be more accurate at long range and less likely to inflict lasting injury. Versatile, think of lifelines, phone lines, barbed wire etc. He had served aboard vessels at sea and knew of how many lives were lost each year due to shipwrecks. The level shows the proper elevation to hold the flare gun when it is used as a line thrower. It was only after the SS Rohilla sank after hitting a mine in 1914 that the British Admiralty placed their first order for Schermuly rockets to be placed aboard troop and hospital ships. The serial number 10290 is matching on the barrel unit and the frame. Surprisingly still functional. Today most ships have switched to Schermuly type rockets, but fired from a single-use plastic canister which is not subject to regulation as a firearm by gun-phobic foreign governments. 1 Mark I signal pistol with a shoulder stock, or the No. INVENTED BY WILLIAM SCHERMULY BORN IN 1847 AND DIED IN 1929 . Other than the 10 boxes of ammo inside, what you see is what you get. The example offered is a classic of this type of line throwing. It fires a 1" flare, or a cartridge used to launch a line pulling rocket. prior to firing. After all, aiming for shore requires much less precision than aiming for a boat, and lines fired inland might even be aided by the wind and enjoy a greater range. The brass butt cap, trigger guard and band have a mellow golden patina. (pre-1899) Buy now price is $500 US. This piece bears the inventor's name and patt No 503324. This example shows a 1 5/8" bore in the 13" barrel. Flare/Very/signal Pistol for Sale 15 results View all Flare/Very/signal Pistol Other Guns for sale all over the UK, in areas such as North West, Eastern, South East Create email alert Sort by 3 photos Kayaba Kogyo Company Type 90 28 mm Flare/Very/signal Pistol Category Other Guns Subcategory Flare/Very/signa. Original Items: Only one set available. Ruger 10-22 DSP SP classic .22LR semi automatic sporting rifle. You can unsubscribe at any time. The basic design is typical of all European military pistols of the period, but has a swivel ring on the butt for a lanyard, and there are no provisions for a ramrod. We prefer you ask by e-mail so we will have time to pull items before answering, WW1 Schermulys Trench Flare Pistol. 12/7/2022, Books for OUT OF STOCK- OUT OF PRINT- LOOK ON USED BOOK LISTS- WORTH THE SEARCH! etc. Long story short, it worked. (low melting point) And on one memorable occasion I came within a few steps of being brained by the metal sleeve for the rocket dropping out of the sky, Dont forget the early webley/schermuly riot guns too http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30032636, Occasionally the twecky household received stocks of shelf expired schermuly marine products to be (illegally, I am sure) disposed of on bonfire night. However, no complete list has been found of all approvals, so with only a few scattered examples the best I can do is estimate that this was circa 1960s-1980s, but I believe the basic model dates to 1952. I was going to include the riot gun, not sure why I forgot! The Schermuly Pistol Rocket Apparatus by Joel R Kolander. Bayonets The leading option was a short cannon of sorts, known as the Lyle Gun, which fired a 19-pound tethered projectile that sat on the muzzle. Advanced here for telephone contact information. For his contributions, most line throwing guns are known as Lyle guns to this day. His rockets would propel grapnel hooks, which were used by U.S. Rangers on D-Day. 3 photos new British 1917 Dated WWI Webley & Scott 'No2-MkI' Flare/Signal Pistol. You can contact the seller by clicking on the seller's nickname. Obviously there was room for improvement, and that was not lost upon William Schermuly a former seaman who was later quite involved in the pioneering of modern rocketry. Use on personal social media accounts, provided the individuals are not promoting themselves commercially. D 1461 - D 1461 WW2 SCHERMULY ROCKET PISTOL APARATUS - LINE THROWING AND FLARE GUN BRITISH MILITARY ISSUED - EXTRAS Description: FOR THE COLLECTOR THAT HAS IT ALL ! Despite his success at the exposition, Schermuly saw virtually no interest in his invention. Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.50.187 (talk) 07:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply], I have corrected the erroneous caption on the British pistol, that the stud was for attaching the pistol to a vehicle or aircraft because it was not. 12/7/2022, U.S. Longarms By 1926, the Schermuly Pistol Rocket Appartus, Ltd. took form, and the family business could now produce their own device to their own satisfaction. holders in your area, we may be able to help you find one willing to handle transfers. An excellent bibliography and good index complete this book. Ships still carry line throwers in various configuration, and they are also widely used by firefighters. By 1887 he was developing ideas for ship-based rescue lines, and by 1897 he was exhibiting his Schermuly life saving rocket at Queen Victorias Diamond Jubilee Exposition and winning the gold medal to boot. FLARE GUNS & LINE THROWING GUNS FOR COLLECTORS: . He invented several different line throwing devices, some of which were used in WWI for such things as throwing telephone lines from trench to trench while under fire. They have the correct wartime period British proofs and Schermuly Patents 179997. Scarce, Original, WW2 Imperial Japanese Navy, Second Variation Type 90 Triple Barrelled Flare/ Sign up to receive the latest news, advice and ads, straight to your inbox. Personal use for non-commercial research and private study and other uses under the UKs exceptions to copyright and those exceptions to copyright in place where the user is located. 20069. Conrad was the business brains, but his younger brother Alfred my grandfather was the company pyrotechnical expert. Schermuly made similar devices for three different sizes of rockets, 30mm, 41mm . here is another example, http://www.classic-firearms.co.uk/antique-classic-section-582-firearms.html. It was only after the SS Rohilla sank after hitting a mine in 1914 that the British Admiralty placed their first order for Schermuly rockets to be placed aboard troop and hospital ships. An excellent example of as scarce line thrower/flare pistol. Although the precise identification is a bit murky, this is a handsome gun, in excellent condition. It is a simple shotgun-like device, designed to project riot control munitions, such as CS gas projectiles or, more commonly, baton rounds. 5E. It was reborn many times with the demands of the Second World War. 4/7/2023, Handguns This WW1 piece was probably Canadian issue in WW1. When water-based transportation and shipping was so prevalent and important, the impact of his life saving devices cannot be overlooked, no matter how easy it may be do so in a modern world where that technology has largely been replaced. (ten boxes are shown in place to illustrate the proper packing layout, but are NOT included). This slow introduction into commercial and military markets earned much confidence in the rockets, and by 1922, their use was prolific. Advert Login Register. BL: 36.6cms This product is not available for shipping in US state(s). III Trench flare pistol made by Cogswell & Harrison London. 1945 - Present I have just modified one external link on Flare gun. I made the following changes: When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. Schermulys invention didnt just disappear with the glory days of the British Empire. In fact, except for brief passage in obscure manuals, or discussion of a gun or two the scope of a more general work there is nothing conveniently available on this subject. Catalogs Twenty-two different shipping lines were using his rockets, and by 1929, the Merchant Shipping Act mandated that Every British ship exceeding five hundred tons when going to sea from any port in the United Kingdom shall be provided with a line-throwing appliance approved by the Board of Trade. Nineteen days later, Schermuly died. To drive the point home of how important this invention was, ships during this time were still dependent on sail or steam for power, and commonly ran aground. A line firing gun, as opposed to a rocket, would take care of many of his issues: it fired instantaneously and made aiming easier, its projectiles would be less effected by wind and less prone to water damage. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.194.127.112 (talk contribs) . any state or federal fees for the background check. We The device would have to be inexpensive, reliable, compact, and easy to use even in the worst of conditions. WW2 1944 U. S. Navy Sedgley MK IV 37mm Flare/ Signal Pistol. Does anyone know the situation in the rest of the world? If you do not have a C&R FFL, then we can only ship guns made after 1898 to It is of brass, and steel construction with walnut grips. William Schermuly 1857-1929 was one of the fathers of modern rocketry. WEBLEY SCHERMULY MADE IN ENGLAND We assume no liability for accidents or injuries resulting from Mechanism works great. (Broomhandle). Gvjschermuly@gmail.com thanks. Usually comprised entirely of volunteers, the crews, while brave, often lacked training or expertise with equipment such as the Lyle gun. Headquarters. Carried in a case along with its rope and launcher, this looked like a giant, mounted bottle rocket and unfortunately, utilized a cardboard-type paper case. 64.26.148.160 18:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply], The article seems to become a magnet for "a flare gun is used in game/film x" which to me does not seem to have a place in a serious encyclopedia article on the subject.Billlion (talk) 05:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply], The section on the Frank Zappa incident might be important i the history of Frank Zappa but to me it does not seem that important in the long history of vary pistols. Buy now price is $500 US. 245 US$306/278 Verey 1 inch Single Shot Flare Pistol (R/H) - S/H (6) S/H Buckinghamshire 1 Mark III flare signal pistol marked SPRA for the Schermuly Pyrotechnic Rocket Association on the frame and commercial crown proofs on the barrel. It had to be large enough to carry adequate propellant but not large enough to excessively increase the weight or be effected too much my wind. For his contributions, most line throwing guns are known as Lyle guns to this day. This is on the same page as a good sketch of the item. During WWI & WWII the Royal Navy would fire flares high into the sky at night whilst patrolling for German U-Boats. Please see our. A non gun, this is a WW1 Schermuly Flare Gun/Line thrower. to e-mail us. HE WAS THE FOUNDING FATHER MODERN ROCKETRY ! The basic concept was invented by Richard Schermuly, a British seaman and inventor around the beginning of the 20th century. The flare gun launcher fit the bill. The design is based on the WWI Webley MKIII* brass flare pistols of the same period however, this pair have much longer barrel extensions measuring 6.5 inches with the overall barrel length being 9 inches. Besides, ship-borne lifesaving devices could also be used from ship to ship while at sea. particular Line gun. This line thrower uses the RARE SQUARE BUTT . It has a 9" Barrel with octagonal breech An excellent British WW1 brass 1" Mk. 1776 - 1941 *UK 2017 DEACTIVATION CERTIFICATED*. Still, the unit was compact, easy to set up, and is said to have a range of approximately 285 meters. Despite his success at the exposition, Schermuly saw virtually no interest in his invention. However, to equip each ship with a Lyle gun or similar device would prove exceedingly expensive and take up space and weight, two precious commodities on a fully crewed cargo ship. The device would have to be inexpensive, reliable, compact, and easy to use even in the worst of conditions. As an aside, anyone who has ever fired a 1" pistol will know that the recoil would rip that small stud off (there is only one BTW) after one or two shots. Overall, the pistol is in very good condition. Multiple types of line throwing devices have been invented over the years since 1807 when George Manby came up with a mortar for the purpose of line throwing, followed by David Lyles cannons in the 1870s and shoulder fired guns by Ingersoll, Coston and others in the0s and later. Please use the print button in the share bar at the top of the page. CARTRIDGE, 1 in. The barrel and lock are not rusted or pitted, but do have dried oil and crud and staining mixed with a dull steel gray. $25.00 (View Picture), 9485 WW2 VINTAGE WOOD SHIPPING CRATE FOR 10 GAUGE RED VERY SIGNALS - This originally had 24 boxes of 10 rounds each, but is now empty. CODE- 20020-B This slow introduction into commercial and military markets earned much confidence in the rockets, and by 1922, their use was prolific. 5636) Line throwing guns are still used to this day in the commercial and military sectors, and the Schermuly name remains closely tied to parachute flares. 2.8 Relby-V10 Targeting Rifle (Schermuly Multi-Purpose Gun) 3 Other Weapons 3.1 Scatter Gun (Franchi SPAS-12) 3.2 Smart Rocket (M20B1 "Super Bazooka") Blaster Pistols BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol (C1 Submachine Gun) The Sterling SMG -based DH-17 pistol is one of the first weapons players can unlock, available at rank 3. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Then again, for something designed to withstand being . have lots of neat: Just the thing to spice up your flare gun collection. We Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. The wire could be attached to a cable to help transfer people from ship to ship or shore to ship. This is a good 38mm calibre Flare Pistol. Crapper & Co Ltd. So only fair I give him a mention especially as he went on to invent items that have saved so many lives over the years. Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.24.122 (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think this is what is called in the UK a pen flare, and is not peculiar to Russia. A tremendous swimmer, a fighter, and an adventurous spirit, the man did not lack for courage, nor the vocabulary of an old salt, once describing himself as an old blue water windjammer shellback (translation: a sailor who went out into deep ocean on the largest sailing cargo ships and crossed the equator). William Schermuly's previous line throwing inventions were pretty bulky and he wanted to perfect a device which a child could use. 4/7/2023 It didnt take long before the British Admiralty was eating crow and the SPRA was adopted into the standard equipment aboard the Royal Navy. Description. http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30032636. His third son, Conrad David, a man who at the age of 21 had become the youngest RSM in the British Army, helped to bring the SPRA to fruition. This example shows a 1 5/8" bore in the 13" barrel. Expanding gases from the ignition cartridge also help expel the rocket from the gun. This is a 37mm cartridge with the case about 1 1/8 long and overall length of 7 1/8. It has mahogany grips and a ribbed Bakelite secondary handle, and there are British proof marks on the chamber and frame. Overall fine to excellent outside with most of the gloss black paint finish remaining. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. In fact, it worked so well that Schermulys grandson was often used in its firing demonstrations at only 8-years old. Click here for more information. $575.00 (View Picture), **NEW ADDITION** 19995 RARE WW1 37mm BRITISH FLARE GUN CARTRIDGE- DEC 1918 - Paper case with brass base marked ELEY LONDON- and closing wad marked Firearms with fascinating histories such as this abound in our firearms auctions, and the 2018 June Regional Firearms Auction is no exception. But how to achieve all this? By ordering from this listing, These have a handle on the top of the barrel to help hold it when firing, not so much for the very limited recoil, but because the gun with rocket inserted is heavy and you want it under good control when on a heaving deck of a ship in distress. The term crap was still used somewhat in America though, coming over pre-16th century from England, and it is thought that one of the reasons American soldiers seemed to universally take to calling the toilet The Crapper is they found it funny with crap meaning something to the effect of refuse and that most of the cisterns and toilets in England were stamped with T. By 1887 he was developing ideas for ship-based rescue lines, and by 1897 he was exhibiting his Schermuly life saving rocket at Queen Victorias Diamond Jubilee Exposition and winning the gold medal to boot. During the Great War, the Canadian Army even began using them to throw telephone lines from trench to trench to avoid exposing troops to enemy fire. His invention was usually ignored by the Admiralty, but by 1922 was used by 22 leading shipping lines. This is an old English made Schermuly Line Throwing Gun. Of course, Schermuly also saw rockets as part of the solution. This period of numerous rejections and disinterest, he dubbed, his heartbreak years. Eventually, early adopters began to step forward. Sn 18196: 30 - 18196: 30 This is an excellent condition British WW1 era brass Trench flare pistol. This is an old English made Schermuly Line Throwing Gun. Your last viewed and saved ads will appear here, Your last viewed and saved searches will appear here, Please select a location from the drop-down list. However, despite its simplicity, low cost, and effectives (so easy a young child could use it) the concept was not adopted until 1929 by the International Conference for Saving of Life at Sea Treaty (SOLAS). sheet") to conduct the required federal "Brady" instant background check, and This is the International Number 2 size unit, using 41mm rockets, with 15 7/8 barrel. Having used the line throwing gun in anger from a heaving R.A.F launch . All subscriptions are optional, and can be terminated at any time. Schermuly surmised that to remedy these short-comings, a lifeline could instead be fired from the vessel. It is a simple shotgun-like device, designed to project riot control munitions, such as CS gas projectiles or, more commonly, baton rounds. There is a poorly struck crown over E on the lockplate, similar to that used by several French arsenals. This is a pair of extremely rare WWI Schermuly flare pistols fitted with extra long barrel extensions. This was particularly demoralizing for a man quoted as saying, Lost ships can be replaced, but lives are gone forever. He was ignored by the powers that be of the British Navy and numerous other sources, largely due to the additional cost of outfitting ships with the new rockets. Some 96 different Flare or Signal pistols are covered, with dimensions and some historical background and information on maker and the intended use. This is a very WW1 Era German Hebel 27mm Trench Flare/ Signal Pistol. 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